Host: On Sunday, June 6, 2021, our Most Beloved Supreme Master Ching Hai once again graciously made time away from Her ongoing meditation retreat, to speak with Supreme Master Television team members about recent, encouraging developments among the world’s Christian clergy, while still calling for more accountability regarding the issue of priests abusing children.
I read it in the news. It’s a little bit more progressing now. So I read yesterday and the day before, that the head of the Church of England, (Yes, Master.) Reverend Welby, apologized to some of the victims of the abuse from the Church of England. (Oh, wow.) Maybe you saw it. Any of you? You saw it? (Yes, Master.) Good, good, good.
And then also, the head of the Catholic Church in Germany, wrote a letter, asked the Pope to let him resign (Yes.) because he says he’s too ashamed, like he feels guilty if he keeps being silent or doing nothing, meaning he condones that. And he realized that because of trying to protect the honor of the church, the reputation of the church, he ignored this problem, and he feels like a collective guilt or something like that. (Yes, Master.) I think maybe some of you have read that. (Yes.)
“(Original Language in German Cardinal Marx: ‘For me, it is essentially about also taking co-responsibility for what has happened in the church, in the space of the church, which is supposed to be a space of healing, which is supposed to be hope, which is supposed to be confidence. So the point is to see the one thing, the individual failure of individual public officials. But fixating on officeholders alone is not enough. This is necessary and it will come, also in other dioceses, also in ours, but also the institutional responsibility, the responsibility for the institution itself. I firmly believe in a new era of Christianity, there is no question for me. But this will only happen or it will happen better if the Church renews itself and if it also learns from this crisis. I am convinced that this society needs the voice of the Gospel, but for that it also needs a Church that is always renewing itself and trying...’)”
Actually our work does bear some fruit. It’s not as much as I want, but it does make some waves. It does stir up something. (Yes, Master.)
The Church of England is very big. It’s almost equal to the Vatican. (Yes, Master.) It’s not belonging to Catholics or anything. It’s just independent, by themselves.
So two of the big church leaders have apologized. And the Cardinal, he wanted to resign because of this shameful, so much, so much abuse. (Yes, Master.) Only a couple of countries reported. Many other countries did not report, but it doesn’t mean it did not happen. (Yes, Master.) This is evil in the house of the Lord, truly like that.
They are doing something, at least to show that they have some shame, some decency, to admit and to do something in their own capacity, at least. But it’s too little, too late. He even said that the church has reached a “dead end” even, believe that? (Wow.)
That’s the German people, they don’t beat around the bush. When they say something, they mean it. So, the Catholic Church has a collective responsibility and guilt, and then the church has reached a “dead end,” that’s what he wrote to the Pope. I wonder how it comes out into the public. Maybe he put it in the social media or something also, not just sent it to the Pope alone.
His name is Cardinal Reinhard (Marx) and the head of the Church of England is the Archbishop (Justin) Welby. He apologized to abused victims.
What’s the use of just apologizing? They kept nourishing it all this time, ignoring it, and condoning it, silently or… By being silent, it’s almost like you accept it. (Yes, Master.) Just because if they have less cardinals or less priests, that means they have less power. So they cling onto all this and to protect the church’s reputation, and they ignore the suffering of the little children who are so helpless and so frightened in that kind of situation, again and again. It’s not just one time, two times. And it doesn’t matter how many times, it’s disgusting, (Yes, Master.) it’s evil, it’s evil.
They’re only little children, some as young as 13 or something even! My God, how evil can it be! All these decades, the church still continues to exist and continues to fester this kind of evil within the house of the Lord. It’s unacceptable! (Yes, Master.) They abuse children because the children are easier to fall victim. Like predators, they’re molesting the weak, the meek, defenseless, and innocent. If children come home and maybe tell something, the parents might not even believe it and scold the kid, or keep quiet.
Or they (the priests) threaten the kids to keep quiet or else, (Yes, Master.) and then even abuse the orphanage boys. Oh! How ugly can that be, my God! We call this the Church of God, and the Church of Christianity, the Church of Catholics, whatever, all these holy names. What kind of degraded-to-the-bottom-of-the-bottom! (Yes.) This is terrible, and they continue to exist and thrive and prosper, make business, and all kinds of advantages and privilege and honor and all that. What a shame!
And meanwhile, the honest street girl is being harassed, being oppressed, being called names, being looked down upon. (Yes, Master.) Because some girls, they don’t know what to do. Maybe their house is poor and they just have to sell the only asset they have. I don’t mean that I condone that. I don’t mean that’s a good thing to do. But what’s the difference between them and these evil doers within the house of the Lord? Why condemn these honest so-called sex workers? They do it, they have to earn a living, and some people need them. (Yes, Master.) But the priests in the church, they don’t need to do that. (No way.) And the children, they don’t need them to do that. (No.) Do you see? (Yes, Master.) So, in that way, the street workers, the street girls, they are even more honorable, in my opinion, in my humble opinion. (Yes, Master.)
What for do you try to protect the reputation of the empty church, when it doesn’t serve the purpose? The church is for the people, not the people for the church. (Yes, Master.) The church is to protect people’s morals, virtues, and faith. Morals and virtues to live in the society, to harmonize with all beings, and faith is to remember and worship God. The church doesn’t serve any of that if they continue doing this kind of evil deed and harming the little innocent children, helpless, defenseless children. Do you hear what I am saying? (Yes, Master.)
So, what for does the church exist if they don’t function the way they should function? Just repeating the Bible and singing psalms or whatever every day like that, what’s the use of that? (Yes.) When a cup is dirty, how would you like to pour elixir into it or beautiful drink into that? And how will you drink it? It’s still filthy. (Yes, Master.)
I respect these two church leaders very much; the Reverend head of the Church of England and the Reverend head of the German Catholic Church. I respect them very much. At least they’re decent enough to apologize. But that’s not enough for me. That’s not enough to make up for all the traumatic and hurtful and painful feelings of all these thousands or tens of thousands of children, and more that are not discovered. Not making up for it ever, never. (Yes, Master.)
And too little, too late also. But at least they did something for their conscience, for themselves. At least not condoning the continuing evil practice. At least not to try to cover up. If a cancer is already oozing out of the body, no matter what kind of beautiful clothes you cover it with, it’s still a cancer inside. (Yes. Yes, Master.) It’s not just within the body, it already oozed out onto the skin already. And the smell is so…. What shall I say? So foul. (Yes, Master.) So repugnant already. And still try to cover with brocade, beautiful silver and silk and satin and chiffon, and whatever most expensive dress you can wear. What’s the use of that? (Yes, Master.) Any ordinary person, even with very little wit and minimal intelligence still can understand that it is not acceptable, it’s not pardonable. (That’s right.) It’s not to condone and to continue at the cost of other little children, in the past, present, and in the future!
I’m so angry. I told you I’m an angry Master when it comes to the animals and the children, because they’re the most helpless, most vulnerable. (Yes, Master.) I could not do the video conference today. I almost could not do it even by the phone, but I had to. I had to talk to you about this so that you can understand more why I am angry. (Yes, Master.) And why these things are the cancer of the society, of the world, the big world, big cancer, big, big, big, big, ugly, filthy cancer that has to be cut off. Otherwise, it infects the whole world.
And nobody will believe in the teaching of Jesus if it continues this way. There will be more harm done. Do you understand? (Yes, Master.)
To deny a cancer is to not seek the cure and not try to heal it. So, they have to do something more obvious than this, more obvious than just here and there, a little bit, here and there, and all that, and just promising and doing nothing all these years, all these decades already. And how many more tens of thousands of children, little boys, little girls, have to suffer, until they open their mouths and do something?
Look at what they are doing behind closed doors, forcing little weak children, towering upon them, squashing them, squashing even the little children’s dignity, and peace. And they will be traumatized all their lives, these little kids. And don’t wonder if they became criminals even, (Right.) for hating this system of “holiness” and which is just betraying their faith and their innocence, and destroys their lives. Do you hear me? (Yes, Master.) Oh, I’m just so breathless, I’m just so angry. This is a one-sided oppression and bullying. One-sided. Because the children have no say in it. (Yes, that’s right.) They don’t even ask their permission or agreement, nothing. This is outright, how you say… (Abuse.) Abuse, of course, but that is not enough of a word for me. I cannot find a better word. “Abusing,” “molesting” is nothing. This is evil. You understand me? (Yes, Master.) This is criminal!
So, I am feeling a little better. So, at least something is moving. That’s what I want to tell you. (Yes, Master.) In case you did not read the news. I haven’t read for a long time, but now and then I also read a little bit. Just the headlines on my phone.
Also, “The Irish government apologized after inquiry finds...” It was in that church article and I did not have time to read all that.
Of course, a long time ago, some church in America also apologized, or did something. But too little. (Yes, Master.) Too little. I wonder why the law doesn’t do anything also.
Because if normal men outside are molesting children, they’ll put them in jail. (Yes.) And here, we have the church, the reverends of all the reverends, the holy of all the holy, walking tall, talking big, cashing in, living in comfort – and doing this kind of thing to the children! And the law also does nothing!
Don’t you feel it is weird, strange? (Yes.) (Unacceptable, Master.) Unacceptable!
How come they’re still walking tall, talking big? And lifting their heads up? And revered by other people? I don’t understand this society, do you?! (No, Master.) What are the governments doing!? And what are the churches there for? Such bad, filthy, foul examples! And continue! And nobody does anything! Just a little bit here and there, and then sweep it under the carpet. (Yes.) So the law is not just at all. No wonder many citizens don’t abide by the law. Because it’s not serving justice!
And no wonder many people left the church, because they don’t believe in the representative of the church anymore. And I hope they don’t leave God. I hope they just leave the church but not leave the Lord in their hearts. (Yes, Master.) Because the priest should be a good example.
Why molesting and harassing, or oppressing and abusing and killing little innocent children like that?
I thought I read somewhere also that there are mass graves that they discovered somewhere… (In Canada, Master.) Did happen, right? (Yes, Master.) Oh my God. So that means it could be also abusing and killing. (Yes.) Sometimes children just disappear, nobody can even find them.
So all this, in front of the law! And the goddess of justice is blindfolded. And the scale of justice is tipping on one side only. For the weak, the meek, the powerless, and the helpless innocent children, there is no law for them. But for the powerful church, the law is FOR them!
That’s what I see, and that’s not acceptable. Not ever! Never! Oh, I hate all this! I sometimes lost sleep over this, thinking how frightened the children must have been. Or must be, or will be, in this kind of case. In the corner, in the dark somewhere, they did anything they want with them, and there’s no one there to defend them, to protect them, to do anything for them at all. Imagine if it’s you. (Yes, Master.) Imagine if it’s you.
I can talk about this forever. But I think I talk enough. Anything you want to add?
(Master,) Yes. (what can people do because… It’s been happening for so long, and every now and then there is an apology, but they don’t do anything. And I want to know if there is anything that the people can do to stop this.)
They have to. They have to file complaints to the law. They have to stand up for their own children. Or the children themselves must say it. But it’s risky for them. The children are afraid. (Yes, Master.) Because the children know these people are very powerful; they could kill them. They must have threatened them to be quiet. If some children scream or maybe threaten to go tell the parents, maybe they just silence them, kill them. (Yes, Master.) (Wow.)
So many cases never come to light. I’m sure there are tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands more, in many remote corners of the world. Many corners of the world, there are churches everywhere and there are priests everywhere.
Priests are very important for the people, because they look up to them. Especially the children, they are vulnerable, impressionable. Easy to teach them – good or bad.
OK, all right. Something is moving at least. Very slow, but something is moving. I like the German priest. At least he’s honest. (Yes, Master.) And he realized it now. He realized that by trying to protect the reputation of the Church, he is partaking in this collective guilt, and he realized it’s no good.
Now, there’s another news. That was one, and the other news is about Mr. Cuomo, Governor of New York. Cuomo, remember? (Yes.) He was accused of sexual harassment, (Yes.) and even COVID cover up. (Yes, Master.) But I have explained to you that it’s not all the way it seems. I explained to you already, (Yes, Master.) that in the beginning, nobody knew anything about COVID-19. Even the experts like Dr. Fauci said it’s nothing, it’s just a bug, the flu is even more worrisome. Don’t need to wear mask and all that stuff. Even openly said that. And later on said, oh, must wear mask, and double mask, whatever. So many people, many senators want him out now. He’s not all that favorite anymore. That’s another thing. (Yes, Master.) So Mr. Cuomo, even his own party members, many Democrats, were kind of accusing him before, called him out. And now they turned around and don’t ask him to resign but support him and praise him at pressers, the press conferences.
I guess they have become more clear now. Or maybe they have watched the Fly-in News, God-willing. You know, watched my talk. Maybe. So many people watch us, maybe they could be one of the viewers.
Our television is very attractive − very truthful, very colorful, very beautiful. And very useful, very helpful. (Yes, Master.) So, if anybody watches it, they are doing themselves a great service. (Yes.) Apart from being more knowledgeable, they get some blessing, for their own benefit. (Yes, Master.) So you see Mr. Cuomo also gets some benefit now. (Yes.) They turn around and praise him now, openly, quite the opposite.
Do you hear anything about Governor Newsom, California? Any new development about him? (No, Master.) People didn’t kick him out yet? They should not. That would be harmful and unfair, unjust. We don’t hear much anymore, not much noise about him anymore. Hopefully things turn out well for him, just like Mr. Cuomo (Yes, Master.) of New York.
Anyway, just want to tell you about all that. (Thank You, Master.) So that you know maybe your work has borne some fruits. (Yes, Master.) It doesn’t matter if it doesn’t, at least we try our best. (Yes, Master.)
The merit of any work is not measured by the success. It’s measured by your effort, your sincerity, your genuine desire to do it well for a noble purpose. So it doesn’t matter if we don’t have any credit about that. But it seems obvious to me. Like last time, the thing I told you about Israel and Palestine. It’s so good that the world may be getting a little bit more in order, more enlightened, more conscientious. (Yes, Master.)
(Master, it seems like many in the church or even the politicians are watching Supreme Master Television and learning from Your words.) Maybe. (Are there many more who have the strength, the ones that watch, the strength to change their ways and improve the situation?)
Some of them. Some of them will. Some of them do. And let’s hope more. (Yes Master.)
Host: Our sincere appreciation, Most Merciful and Courageous Master, for always speaking the indisputable truth on behalf of the most vulnerable among us. We send our high hopes for humanity, and especially for those in influential leadership positions, to face and overcome their challenges with the Divine’s support, and to cherish the innocent children and animals. May Beloved Master be always in excellent health and in the Mighty Protection of all Benevolent Cosmic Beings.
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